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The Soros Agenda: Free speech for billionaires only.
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HOD
2004-01-03 16:41:16 UTC
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REVIEW & OUTLOOK

The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.

Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.

The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the attention he
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party. Mr. Soros has
responded that all he's doing is exercising his own Constitutional right to
free speech. We'd agree, except for the detail that the world's 38th richest
man (according to Forbes) is using his money to restrict everyone else's
freedom.

In his political funding, Mr. Soros is exploiting the loophole in campaign
finance laws that lets billionaires donate however much they want to private
political lobbies. But more than that, he also turns out to be a leading
cash cow for the Washington lobbies trying to restrict media competition and
political speech. Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to be
called the "public interest" conceit.

This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless benefactors
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests. The hedge-fund operator made his
money practicing capitalism but now he spends it trying to give himself and
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices. Among his fundees in
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or run
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,"
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.

They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has morphed
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been mouthpieces
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. In the past three years they
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.

Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader of a
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership caps
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and according
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group $600,000
from 2000 to 2002.

The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the FCC's new
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations. The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from the
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr. Soros
in 2001-02.

Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America, has a
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation would
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000. And
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros pot
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the "digital
divide."

Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves. A few also
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given Mr.
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their funding
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity,
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and you can
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.

Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real arbiters of
public policy should be elites like them. Their own political success
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public policy
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of course
their point.

As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the views
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists. Our readers can examine for
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities since
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to call an
"open society."

Wall Street Journal
Dan
2004-01-03 16:52:07 UTC
Permalink
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.
The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the attention he
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party. Mr. Soros has
responded that all he's doing is exercising his own Constitutional right to
free speech. We'd agree, except for the detail that the world's 38th richest
man (according to Forbes) is using his money to restrict everyone else's
freedom.
In his political funding, Mr. Soros is exploiting the loophole in campaign
finance laws that lets billionaires donate however much they want to private
political lobbies. But more than that, he also turns out to be a leading
cash cow for the Washington lobbies trying to restrict media competition and
political speech. Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to be
called the "public interest" conceit.
This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless benefactors
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests. The hedge-fund operator made his
money practicing capitalism but now he spends it trying to give himself and
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices. Among his fundees in
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or run
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,"
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.
They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has morphed
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been mouthpieces
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. In the past three years they
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.
Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader of a
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership caps
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and according
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group $600,000
from 2000 to 2002.
The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the FCC's new
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations. The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from the
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr. Soros
in 2001-02.
Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America, has a
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation would
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000. And
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros pot
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the "digital
divide."
Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves. A few also
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given Mr.
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their funding
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity,
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and you can
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.
Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real arbiters of
public policy should be elites like them. Their own political success
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public policy
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of course
their point.
As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the views
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists. Our readers can examine for
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities since
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to call an
"open society."
Wall Street Journal
HOD
2004-01-03 17:16:04 UTC
Permalink
Do you sincerely believe that it's not "so fun" when I get to watch you
silly 'free-loading' losers eat your own shit?
You've got to be kidding! :-))
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.
The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the attention
he
Post by HOD
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party. Mr. Soros has
responded that all he's doing is exercising his own Constitutional right
to
Post by HOD
free speech. We'd agree, except for the detail that the world's 38th
richest
Post by HOD
man (according to Forbes) is using his money to restrict everyone else's
freedom.
In his political funding, Mr. Soros is exploiting the loophole in campaign
finance laws that lets billionaires donate however much they want to
private
Post by HOD
political lobbies. But more than that, he also turns out to be a leading
cash cow for the Washington lobbies trying to restrict media competition
and
Post by HOD
political speech. Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to be
called the "public interest" conceit.
This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless benefactors
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests. The hedge-fund operator made his
money practicing capitalism but now he spends it trying to give himself
and
Post by HOD
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices. Among his fundees
in
Post by HOD
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or run
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,"
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.
They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has
morphed
Post by HOD
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been mouthpieces
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. In the past three years they
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.
Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader of a
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership
caps
Post by HOD
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and
according
Post by HOD
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group $600,000
from 2000 to 2002.
The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the FCC's
new
Post by HOD
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations. The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from the
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr. Soros
in 2001-02.
Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America,
has
Post by Dan
a
Post by HOD
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation would
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000. And
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros pot
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the "digital
divide."
Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves. A few also
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given Mr.
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their funding
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity,
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21,
the
Post by HOD
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and you
can
Post by HOD
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.
Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real
arbiters
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
public policy should be elites like them. Their own political success
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public policy
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of course
their point.
As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the views
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists. Our readers can examine
for
Post by HOD
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities since
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to call an
"open society."
Wall Street Journal
Dan
2004-01-03 17:33:13 UTC
Permalink
Ahh, more like Coulter ever day.
Post by HOD
Do you sincerely believe that it's not "so fun" when I get to watch you
silly 'free-loading' losers eat your own shit?
You've got to be kidding! :-))
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.
The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the attention
he
Post by HOD
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party. Mr. Soros
has
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
responded that all he's doing is exercising his own Constitutional right
to
Post by HOD
free speech. We'd agree, except for the detail that the world's 38th
richest
Post by HOD
man (according to Forbes) is using his money to restrict everyone else's
freedom.
In his political funding, Mr. Soros is exploiting the loophole in
campaign
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
finance laws that lets billionaires donate however much they want to
private
Post by HOD
political lobbies. But more than that, he also turns out to be a leading
cash cow for the Washington lobbies trying to restrict media competition
and
Post by HOD
political speech. Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to
be
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
called the "public interest" conceit.
This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless
benefactors
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests. The hedge-fund operator made
his
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
money practicing capitalism but now he spends it trying to give himself
and
Post by HOD
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices. Among his fundees
in
Post by HOD
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or
run
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the
Apocalypse,"
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.
They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has
morphed
Post by HOD
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been
mouthpieces
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. In the past three years
they
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.
Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader
of
Post by HOD
a
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership
caps
Post by HOD
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and
according
Post by HOD
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group $600,000
from 2000 to 2002.
The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the FCC's
new
Post by HOD
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations. The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from the
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr.
Soros
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
in 2001-02.
Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America,
has
Post by Dan
a
Post by HOD
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation
would
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000.
And
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros
pot
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the "digital
divide."
Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves. A few
also
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given Mr.
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their funding
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public
Integrity,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21,
the
Post by HOD
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and you
can
Post by HOD
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.
Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real
arbiters
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
public policy should be elites like them. Their own political success
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public
policy
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of course
their point.
As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the
views
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists. Our readers can examine
for
Post by HOD
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities
since
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to call an
"open society."
Wall Street Journal
HOD
2004-01-03 17:41:06 UTC
Permalink
Hey I take that as a compliment!!!
Thanks :-))
Post by Dan
Ahh, more like Coulter ever day.
Post by HOD
Do you sincerely believe that it's not "so fun" when I get to watch you
silly 'free-loading' losers eat your own shit?
You've got to be kidding! :-))
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of
the
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
fence, is it?
Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.
The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the
attention
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
he
Post by HOD
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party. Mr. Soros
has
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
responded that all he's doing is exercising his own Constitutional
right
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
to
Post by HOD
free speech. We'd agree, except for the detail that the world's 38th
richest
Post by HOD
man (according to Forbes) is using his money to restrict everyone
else's
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
freedom.
In his political funding, Mr. Soros is exploiting the loophole in
campaign
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
finance laws that lets billionaires donate however much they want to
private
Post by HOD
political lobbies. But more than that, he also turns out to be a
leading
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
cash cow for the Washington lobbies trying to restrict media
competition
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
and
Post by HOD
political speech. Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to
be
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
called the "public interest" conceit.
This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless
benefactors
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests. The hedge-fund operator made
his
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
money practicing capitalism but now he spends it trying to give
himself
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
and
Post by HOD
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices. Among his
fundees
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
in
Post by HOD
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or
run
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the
Apocalypse,"
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.
They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has
morphed
Post by HOD
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been
mouthpieces
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. In the past three years
they
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.
Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader
of
Post by HOD
a
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership
caps
Post by HOD
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and
according
Post by HOD
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group
$600,000
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
from 2000 to 2002.
The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the
FCC's
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
new
Post by HOD
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations. The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from
the
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr.
Soros
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
in 2001-02.
Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America,
has
Post by Dan
a
Post by HOD
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation
would
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000.
And
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros
pot
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the
"digital
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
divide."
Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves. A few
also
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given
Mr.
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their
funding
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public
Integrity,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy
21,
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
the
Post by HOD
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and
you
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
can
Post by HOD
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.
Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real
arbiters
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
public policy should be elites like them. Their own political success
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public
policy
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of
course
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
their point.
As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the
views
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists. Our readers can
examine
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
for
Post by HOD
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities
since
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to
call
Post by Dan
an
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
"open society."
Wall Street Journal
John S. Dyson
2004-01-03 18:47:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)

I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)

John
Jenn
2004-01-03 19:13:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
John
so if you believe in reform you should just role over to the other side
which abuses the law?

the GOP would love that -- and it is part of their core party principle
-- hypocricy
abracadabra
2004-01-03 20:40:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jenn
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
John
so if you believe in reform you should just role over to the other side
which abuses the law?
the GOP would love that -- and it is part of their core party principle
-- hypocricy
It's the advice the Democrats are getting from the "liberal press" and the
Republicans - be nice, don't be nasty like the Republicans, don't lie about
your opponent like the Republicans, and don't respond to negative attacks -
just take the "high road" like Dukikis.
Yeeeesh!
HOD
2004-01-03 23:14:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by abracadabra
Post by Jenn
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side
of
Post by abracadabra
the
Post by Jenn
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
John
so if you believe in reform you should just role over to the other side
which abuses the law?
the GOP would love that -- and it is part of their core party principle
-- hypocricy
It's the advice the Democrats are getting from the "liberal press" and the
Republicans - be nice, don't be nasty like the Republicans, don't lie about
your opponent like the Republicans, and don't respond to negative attacks -
just take the "high road" like Dukikis.
Yeeeesh!
Where did you read that crap!
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-05 01:38:05 UTC
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I thought Conservative were against campaing were for free speech?
You people are laugh-out-loud funny to hear complain about someone
like Soros who is the type of guy that gets the most out of Bushes tax
deals.




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M.Theo .
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HOD
2004-01-05 02:25:21 UTC
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Post by Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
I thought Conservative were against campaing were for free speech?
If you can get your thoughts together, try again! :-))
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-05 05:59:02 UTC
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Post by HOD
Post by Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
I thought Conservative were against campaing were for free speech?
If you can get your thoughts together, try again! :-))
Without prejudice; Dr. Goldblatt pontificates ®:

Smile,

I thought Conservative were against campaign reform Restrictions on
Raising Soft Money and were for free speech?


Mazel Tov,


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America is a mistake, a giant mistake.
-- Sigmund Freud

Bush went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard. "Brave Americans
gave their lives in Vietnam," "Rich kid George W. Bush deserted. This
coward snorted coke and drove drunk while other kids died." Who doubts
that if Gore had played up Bush's DUI arrest, he would have picked up
an extra 500 votes in Florida?

George Bush Sr.

"President Bush's pardon of Caspar Weinberger and other Iran-contra
defendants
undermines the principle that no man is above the law. It demonstrates
that powerful people with powerful allies can commit serious crimes in
high office deliberately abusing the public trust without
consequence."
John S. Dyson
2004-01-03 21:58:00 UTC
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Post by Jenn
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
John
so if you believe in reform you should just role over to the other side
which abuses the law?
Please provide information where the GOPers are abusing the law
and betting against the economy as seriously as Soros. It is
VERY CLEAR that Soros is an especially vile case of 'betting against
the home team.' Is he even a citizen?

John
abracadabra
2004-01-03 20:39:00 UTC
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Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
How is he trying to influence the economy? You seem to be great at making
charges, but short on backing them up with reason or evidence.
Post by John S. Dyson
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
ROFL
"Using a Loophole" = doing what's legal
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-08 01:20:30 UTC
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"abracadabra" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ELFJb.6700


Anybody think about what Tom Delay is doing with his created 501 3 C

Campaign finance law has changed political landscape
By JAMES KUHNHENN
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - At the end of their sweeping 131-page opinion upholding
restrictions on big-money political donations, Supreme Court justices
conceded something every politician always knew: "Money, like water,
will always find an outlet."

It already has.

During the year McCain-Feingold campaign-finance law has been in
effect, money has flowed to a growing number of ideological and
special-interest groups outside the law's reach. Political parties,
banned from accepting so-called "soft" money - contributions not in
support of a specific candidate - are financially weaker. And there
has been an eruption of innovative fund raising and influence-seeking
techniques.

Nowhere is the new landscape more evident than in the current
presidential race. Three candidates, led by President Bush, have
decided to forgo public campaign financing and spending limits through
the primary-election season. And most candidates, particularly Howard
Dean, have elevated the role of the Internet as a fund-raising tool,
using it to tap people previously unengaged in politics.

"Howard Dean has showed that it's possible to raise significant sums
of money - hundreds of millions of dollars probably over time - from
small donors," said Rep. Robert Matsui, D-Calif., the chairman of the
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "What we really are going
to have to do is to focus on the small dollars."

Both Republican- and Democrat-leaning organizations have emerged to
promote candidates and educate voters, replacing the political parties
as both the organizers of politics and the reservoirs of unlimited
contributions.

"What we're seeing is a predictable diversion of money and political
power," said Republican election lawyer Jan Baran. "Political parties
have been significantly defunded and have less resources to finance
their activities. This is a more secure world for billionaires and
groups who have rights under this law that political parties do not."

That's one view of the new political world order.

But Tom Mann, a political scientist whose views on campaign financing
are sprinkled throughout the Supreme Court decision, believes that
"potentially harmful effects on political parties today are unlikely
to be realized." Mann is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution,
a liberal think tank that is very influential in Washington's
establishment circles.

Whether the parties are harmed or not, however, the world has already
changed significantly for politicians and the industry of political
strategists, media consultants and fund-raisers.

For example, the campaign-finance law restricts how independent groups
pay for political ads in the weeks before an election. Under its ad
limits, groups such as the Sierra Club or the National Rifle
Association can run ads about specific candidates within 60 days of a
general election only if the ads were paid for with money from donors
whose identities have been disclosed to the Federal Election
Commission.

The NRA plans to sidestep that prohibition by airing general-issue ads
and then directing viewers to more specific political commentary on
the Internet, which isn't regulated by the new law. The NRA's Wayne
LaPierre said he also is looking to buy a television or radio station
that would give the NRA greater freedom to endorse or criticize
politicians.

"That's great, that's creative, they're learning something," said
Kenneth Goldstein, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison,
whose research into political advertising earned him a mention in the
Supreme Court's majority opinion.

Unlimited contributions known as "soft money" exploded on the scene,
particularly for the Democratic Party, during Bill Clinton's
re-election campaign in 1996. It closed the fund-raising edge that
Republicans had long held over Democrats.

The hunt for soft money - from corporations, rich donors and labor
unions - created a spectacle of influence peddling. Clinton and the
Democrats gave big donors guest privileges in the White House's
Lincoln Bedroom. In Congress, Republicans and Democrats offered
veritable bills of fare - the bigger the donations, the more exclusive
the session with senior lawmakers.

Now, with soft money banned, the gap between the parties in fund
raising is evident again. The latest disclosure records, filed at
midyear, show that the Republican Party had raised nearly $116 million
in regulated "hard money," while Democrats had raised only $44
million.

In the absence of soft money for the political parties, activists from
both parties have created groups known as 527 committees, named for
the section of the IRS code that regulates them. Essentially, they can
raise unlimited amounts of money from contributors whose names don't
have to be disclosed publicly. The groups can use their funds to
register voters, promote a partisan view and advocate on behalf of
candidates, as long as they don't run political ads within 60 days of
a general election or 30 days before a primary.

Democrats have been quicker out of the blocks, working with groups
such as MoveOn.org and America Coming Together. One of their top
benefactors is billionaire George Soros, who has pledged $10 million
to ACT and $2.5 million to MoveOn.

"The money is already there in vast quantities through surrogate
activity. My concern is that the cynicism will be just back," said
Kenneth Starr, the lawyer who argued the case for critics of the law
before the Supreme Court. "The court recognized that. The court
foresaw it. They read the newspapers. They know what George Soros is
doing."

The parties and their leaders have also worked to find other means to
sustain relationships with special interests. House Majority Leader
Tom DeLay, R-Texas, plans to use a charity to host Republican bigwigs
at the Republican National Convention - a plan that already has been
challenged by some watchdog organizations.



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GENOMEMAN
2004-01-03 22:29:24 UTC
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Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
But that is just so....I don't know....liberal!

Doesn't surprise me in the least, ya know, shit like, "I feel your pain" and
be all for "women's rights" then turn right around and lie under oath in a
sexual harassment lawsuit against you.

Or pretend to be for the downtrodden when 8 out of 10 of the richest
senators are demmies

Or pretend to be about world suffering and then say that it was wrong to
remove Saddam Hussein.

Ya know, silly liberal stuff like that. I think even a 12 year old, if
presented these types of things would be like, "Duh! What is up with these
people?"
Post by John S. Dyson
John
abracadabra
2004-01-04 03:31:58 UTC
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Post by GENOMEMAN
But that is just so....I don't know....liberal!
Doesn't surprise me in the least, ya know, shit like, "I feel your pain" and
be all for "women's rights" then turn right around and lie under oath in a
sexual harassment lawsuit against you.
What does one have to do with the other? I'm for women's rights and I've
pleaded down speeding tickets. Hell - Dubya pretends to be a Christian and
lies about WMDs in Iraq!
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be for the downtrodden when 8 out of 10 of the richest
senators are demmies
WTF does that have to do with anything? What does one's wealth have to do
with one's ability to be "for the poor"? You lose your logic pills this
morning?
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be about world suffering and then say that it was wrong to
remove Saddam Hussein.
THE REASON FOR THE WAR was that DUBYA SAID Saddam wasn't going along with
getting rid of WMDs. We were for CONTINUED INSPECTIONS.
History has already proven us right - no WMDs.
Invading Iraq had nothing to do with saving people from tyrants or
establishing a constitutional democracy. We have no problems with unelected
tyrants in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. We have no problems with "allies" who
torture their own people.
Post by GENOMEMAN
Ya know, silly liberal stuff like that. I think even a 12 year old, if
presented these types of things would be like, "Duh! What is up with these
people?"
Well, that explains your problem. You have a 12 year old's understanding of
your opposition. You'd argue a lot better if you understood the other side.
HOD
2004-01-04 03:51:30 UTC
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Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
But that is just so....I don't know....liberal!
Doesn't surprise me in the least, ya know, shit like, "I feel your pain"
and
Post by GENOMEMAN
be all for "women's rights" then turn right around and lie under oath in a
sexual harassment lawsuit against you.
What does one have to do with the other? I'm for women's rights and I've
pleaded down speeding tickets. Hell - Dubya pretends to be a Christian and
lies about WMDs in Iraq!
Prove it!
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be for the downtrodden when 8 out of 10 of the richest
senators are demmies
WTF does that have to do with anything? What does one's wealth have to do
with one's ability to be "for the poor"? You lose your logic pills this
morning?
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be about world suffering and then say that it was wrong to
remove Saddam Hussein.
THE REASON FOR THE WAR was that DUBYA SAID Saddam wasn't going along with
getting rid of WMDs. We were for CONTINUED INSPECTIONS.
History has already proven us right - no WMDs.
The last I heard we were still looking.... has an official deadline been
established yet?
Hmmmmmmmmmm? :-))
Post by abracadabra
Invading Iraq had nothing to do with saving people from tyrants or
establishing a constitutional democracy. We have no problems with unelected
tyrants in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. We have no problems with "allies" who
torture their own people.
Saving the people of Iraq was one of three main reasons declared prior to
the war! Where you been Gomer?
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
Ya know, silly liberal stuff like that. I think even a 12 year old, if
presented these types of things would be like, "Duh! What is up with these
people?"
Well, that explains your problem. You have a 12 year old's understanding of
your opposition. You'd argue a lot better if you understood the other side.
The "other side" is packed with fanatical liars who display total disregard
for facts. Why would we want to understand more about those character
traits?
abracadabra
2004-01-04 17:33:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
But that is just so....I don't know....liberal!
Doesn't surprise me in the least, ya know, shit like, "I feel your pain"
and
Post by GENOMEMAN
be all for "women's rights" then turn right around and lie under oath
in
Post by HOD
a
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
sexual harassment lawsuit against you.
What does one have to do with the other? I'm for women's rights and I've
pleaded down speeding tickets. Hell - Dubya pretends to be a Christian and
lies about WMDs in Iraq!
Prove it!
NO WMDs in Iraq = bush lied.
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be for the downtrodden when 8 out of 10 of the richest
senators are demmies
WTF does that have to do with anything? What does one's wealth have to do
with one's ability to be "for the poor"? You lose your logic pills this
morning?
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be about world suffering and then say that it was wrong to
remove Saddam Hussein.
THE REASON FOR THE WAR was that DUBYA SAID Saddam wasn't going along with
getting rid of WMDs. We were for CONTINUED INSPECTIONS.
History has already proven us right - no WMDs.
The last I heard we were still looking.... has an official deadline been
established yet?
Hmmmmmmmmmm? :-))
Nobody on the planet Earth besides Bush thinks we'll find WMDs in Iraq. Not
even you.
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Invading Iraq had nothing to do with saving people from tyrants or
establishing a constitutional democracy. We have no problems with
unelected
Post by abracadabra
tyrants in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. We have no problems with "allies" who
torture their own people.
Saving the people of Iraq was one of three main reasons declared prior to
the war! Where you been Gomer?
Following the news. The WH sold the war on the basis of the WMDs and the
Major Military Threat Iraq posed to the USA.
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
Ya know, silly liberal stuff like that. I think even a 12 year old, if
presented these types of things would be like, "Duh! What is up with
these
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
people?"
Well, that explains your problem. You have a 12 year old's understanding
of
Post by abracadabra
your opposition. You'd argue a lot better if you understood the other
side.
The "other side" is packed with fanatical liars who display total disregard
for facts. Why would we want to understand more about those character
traits?
Because you're wrong. Just calling your opponent a "liar" doesn't get you
very far.
HOD
2004-01-04 20:00:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by abracadabra
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
But that is just so....I don't know....liberal!
Doesn't surprise me in the least, ya know, shit like, "I feel your
pain"
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
and
Post by GENOMEMAN
be all for "women's rights" then turn right around and lie under oath
in
Post by HOD
a
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
sexual harassment lawsuit against you.
What does one have to do with the other? I'm for women's rights and I've
pleaded down speeding tickets. Hell - Dubya pretends to be a Christian
and
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
lies about WMDs in Iraq!
Prove it!
NO WMDs in Iraq = bush lied.
Last I heard the hunt continues!... I'm not aware of a time limit... are
you?
Post by abracadabra
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be for the downtrodden when 8 out of 10 of the richest
senators are demmies
WTF does that have to do with anything? What does one's wealth have to
do
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
with one's ability to be "for the poor"? You lose your logic pills this
morning?
Post by GENOMEMAN
Or pretend to be about world suffering and then say that it was
wrong
Post by abracadabra
to
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
remove Saddam Hussein.
THE REASON FOR THE WAR was that DUBYA SAID Saddam wasn't going along
with
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
getting rid of WMDs. We were for CONTINUED INSPECTIONS.
History has already proven us right - no WMDs.
The last I heard we were still looking.... has an official deadline been
established yet?
Hmmmmmmmmmm? :-))
Nobody on the planet Earth besides Bush thinks we'll find WMDs in Iraq. Not
even you.
In all honesty, how can you make a silly claim like that?
Post by abracadabra
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Invading Iraq had nothing to do with saving people from tyrants or
establishing a constitutional democracy. We have no problems with
unelected
Post by abracadabra
tyrants in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. We have no problems with "allies"
who
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
torture their own people.
Saving the people of Iraq was one of three main reasons declared prior to
the war! Where you been Gomer?
Following the news. The WH sold the war on the basis of the WMDs and the
Major Military Threat Iraq posed to the USA.
Post by HOD
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
Ya know, silly liberal stuff like that. I think even a 12 year old, if
presented these types of things would be like, "Duh! What is up with
these
Post by abracadabra
Post by GENOMEMAN
people?"
Well, that explains your problem. You have a 12 year old's
understanding
Post by abracadabra
Post by HOD
of
Post by abracadabra
your opposition. You'd argue a lot better if you understood the other
side.
The "other side" is packed with fanatical liars who display total
disregard
Post by HOD
for facts. Why would we want to understand more about those character
traits?
Because you're wrong. Just calling your opponent a "liar" doesn't get you
very far.
I'm doing pretty well!
bobbyhaqq
2004-01-05 11:39:32 UTC
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Post by HOD
Saving the people of Iraq was one of three main reasons declared prior to
the war! Where you been Gomer?
Saving the people of Iraq, oh that is rich.

Today the US does not have enough forces in Iraq to provide security
for anyone accept itself and a few Iraqis. The average Iraqi is as
much at the mercies of Baathists as ever before, and on top of that is
a mix of radical terror groups and criminal organizations which have
turned Iraq in to a total shit hole.

Beyond that Iraq is now a nation without any NGO presence, without aid
coming in, without reconstruction.

And what is happening in Iraq today, the war continues and is turning
in to a civil war. An Iraqi is never safe, walking down the street,
sitting in a school, even hiding in their home they are forever
sitting in a battle field where bombs can go off at random, where fire
fights break out on a daily basis, where edgy Americans who don't
speak Arabic are armed to their teeth, confused, and angry.

Iraq has been turned in to a greater hell than it was under Saddam,
and it will get worse. Do you ever wonder why the people have not
turned in the resistance to the Americans? They are more affraid of
the Baathists and other groups than they believe the promises of the
US.

Iraq is fucked, and just like in Afghanistan as the nation goes to
hell the US media, that "liberal media" will simply ignore it.
Non-Americas killing each other in a civil war we started has proven
time and time again to make bad TV, and thus does not make it on the
news.
news and blues
2004-01-06 04:48:30 UTC
Permalink
oddly enough 'HOD' Warren Buffet (technically richer the Bill Gates),
George Soros, and Bill Gates are liberal. Buffett oddly enough commented on
Bush's tax cuts (the only president that got feedback from the oracle
himself EVER!) and looked down upon. anyways they may take advantage of
the tax cuts bush gives, but it doesn't mean that agree with them (with that
much money in their pockets, they couldn't give a damn about pocket change
like that).
Post by GENOMEMAN
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of
the
Post by John S. Dyson
Post by Dan
fence, is it?
Actually, when the money is being bet AGAINST the economy that he
is trying to influence, that is bad on EITHER side (refer to Soros.)
I don't mind it when someone has money and uses it for political
reasons, but it is unethical to advocate campaign reform and
then use loopholes to abuse the system even worse (refer to Soros.)
But that is just so....I don't know....liberal!
Doesn't surprise me in the least, ya know, shit like, "I feel your pain" and
be all for "women's rights" then turn right around and lie under oath in a
sexual harassment lawsuit against you.
Or pretend to be for the downtrodden when 8 out of 10 of the richest
senators are demmies
Or pretend to be about world suffering and then say that it was wrong to
remove Saddam Hussein.
Ya know, silly liberal stuff like that. I think even a 12 year old, if
presented these types of things would be like, "Duh! What is up with these
people?"
Post by John S. Dyson
John
bobbyhaqq
2004-01-05 11:33:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Soros has taken a very principled stand. Saddly many NGO that have
depended on Soros's money that I know of face funding cuts in the
coming years as Soros puts more and more of this money behind crushing
neo-conism.

This is a man who has taken the great wealth he earned and has worked
to promote the good of humanity, there are a small number like this.
Most rich just want to get richer, and can you blame them. A tiny
minority of the super rich use a great part of their wealth to promote
what they see as the greater good of humanity.

And its odd but they all seem to have come to the conclusion that Bush
is a grave danger?
redclay
2004-01-05 14:10:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by bobbyhaqq
Post by Dan
Not so fun when the big money isn't just sitting on the right side of the
fence, is it?
Soros has taken a very principled stand. Saddly many NGO that have
depended on Soros's money that I know of face funding cuts in the
coming years as Soros puts more and more of this money behind crushing
neo-conism.
This is a man who has taken the great wealth he earned......
I am sure you know just how Soros "earned" his money so him taking a
principled stand is a joke. His hedge funds operate offshore and are
unregulated. You think he might have accepted funds that were not able to
be invested in a regulated fund? He speculated against the British pound
and won billions in the showdown. How much wealth did he cost the English
people? Who knows but he didn't care; it was just business. He smashed the
currencies of the then Asian tigers because there was money to be made. He
made Bush II money by investing in the sham company he was associated with
known as Spectrum and then Soros was probably the mystery buyer of the
Harken shares. There is nothing principled nor good about Soros, nothing at
all. He is another sociopath that will stop at nothing to soothe his ego.
Search soros and his democracy project within the old eastern bloc. Not
very pretty. Who backed Soros in the beginning and why did they do it? If
you find any information on that post it.
abracadabra
2004-01-03 16:56:57 UTC
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Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Wrong. He's just trying to help the USA throw off tyranny.
Harry
2004-01-05 17:08:35 UTC
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Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.
The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the attention he
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party.
And this differs from your Mr. Scaife, who pays for all the right wing
lies you can swallow?

Did Mr. Soros drag $100 bills through Arkansas trailer camps?
Scaife's folks did. Is Mr. Soros interestest in the sex life of
President Cheney? Mr. Scaife was.

Another difference is you know who Mr. Soros is, but you don't know
who Mr. Scaife is, and you spend all your time reading his propaganda
organs. Like Weekly Standard? Newsmax.com? Jewishworldnet? All of
'em.
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-10 05:45:47 UTC
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Post by Harry
Did Mr. Soros drag $100 bills through Arkansas trailer camps?
Scaife's folks did. Is Mr. Soros interestest in the sex life of
President Cheney? Mr. Scaife was.
Another difference is you know who Mr. Soros is, but you don't know
who Mr. Scaife is, and you spend all your time reading his propaganda
organs. Like Weekly Standard? Newsmax.com? Jewishworldnet? All of
'em.
Don't forget Fox News!

Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every
issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in
Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church- state separation,
consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national
health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign-finance reform, the
environment
and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently
wrong by accident.
The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family
values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to
betray the interests of the American people
in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist
religious groups.



Why? Because they're evil GOP bastards


Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Reverend Chancellor Leland Milton Goldblatt Ph.D. ED.D. M.F.A, D.Div.
M.Theo .
Copyright © 2003

http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/
http://www.voxfux.com
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.bushflash.com/nazi.html
(773) 731-1100

"George Bush is a satanic, sadistic, brutal monster.
Compared to George Bush, Adolf Hitler was a true gentleman."
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-10 06:25:57 UTC
Permalink
As The Nation's John Nichols reports, MoveOn.org is being pounded upon
hysterically by the Republican Party over two ad contest entries --
mailed in from the public, not endorsed by MoveOn and even apologized
for and pulled from the website -- ads that compared George W. Bush to
Adolf Hitler.

MoveOn notes sourly, however, that none of this indignation was around
when Democratic Senator Max Cleland -- a decorated veteran who lost
both legs and an arm serving in Vietnam -- was smeared by the
Republican leadership with television advertisements comparing him to
Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

And Timothy Karr at MediaChannel.org observes, even as the mainstream
media has raised cries of shame at the Bush-Hitler ads -- which were
mailed in to a "Bush in 30 Seconds" ad contest and promptly rejected
-- there's been silence about the still-truculently defiant decision
by The New York Post to run a column devoted entirely to comparing
Howard Dean supporters to Hitler's Brownshirts, and Dean himself to
Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

Kerr suggests you ask your favorite news outlet to explain the double-
standard: Two citizens send in speech comparing the Bush
Administration to Hitler -- speech that's promptly rejected by
progressives, even apologized for, out of embarrassment to even be
briefly associated with -- and it's a sordid national news event. But
leading citizens and editors at a major metropolitan newspaper craft
and print a detailed comparison of Howard Dean to Hitler -- they don't
apologize -- they don't back down or disavow -- and there's smug
silence.

While you're at it, ask them how it wasn't a national disgrace that a
man who left three of his limbs on the battlefield in Vietnam could be
called, in Republican Party-sponsored ads on television, an al-Qaeda
lover -- just because Republican operatives coveted his Senate seat,
and becase he had dared question the president's war in Iraq. That was
probably the closest thing we've seen yet to a Goebbels moment --
where was The New York Post's crack Goebbels-watching team then? Maybe
if the Republicans policed their own ranks, a minority of the American
public wouldn't be entertaining dark fears about homegrown fascism.



Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Reverend Chancellor Leland Milton Goldblatt Ph.D. ED.D. M.F.A, D.Div.
M.Theo .
Copyright © 2003

http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/
http://www.voxfux.com
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.bushflash.com/nazi.html
(773) 731-1100

"George Bush is a satanic, sadistic, brutal monster.
Compared to George Bush, Adolf Hitler was a true gentleman."



- Michael Boren Williams, former Campaign Manager for Senator Gary
Hart and Bush murder attempt victim


HAIL to the THIEF! Not my president. IMPEACH HE SUPREME COURT!
Barry Worthington
2004-01-06 12:24:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
The Soros Agenda
Free speech for billionaires only.
Saturday, January 3, 2004 12:01 a.m.
From where? Ah...the Wall Street Journal....at the bottom of the
piece, for some reason.
Post by HOD
The press corps is finally giving billionaire George Soros the attention he
deserves as the new Daddy Warbucks of the Democratic Party.
As I understand it, he thinks that Bush is a public danger and that he
is campaigning (independently) against him. Read into this whatever
you want...

Mr. Soros has
Post by HOD
responded that all he's doing is exercising his own Constitutional right to
free speech.
True.
Post by HOD
We'd agree, except for the detail that the world's 38th richest
man (according to Forbes) is using his money to restrict everyone else's
freedom.
Really! How does he do that?
Post by HOD
In his political funding, Mr. Soros is exploiting the loophole in campaign
finance laws that lets billionaires donate however much they want to private
political lobbies.
In America.....this is new?


But more than that, he also turns out to be a leading
Post by HOD
cash cow for the Washington lobbies trying to restrict media competition and
political speech.
Oh I see! Mr. Soros wants to regulate the media ('restrict media
competition') so that it isn't dominated by conglomerates and
oligarchs espousing one particular point of view. So he uses his
wealth and acts in a way that the media dereguation he objects to
would promote, in order to get his message across. Most people would
find this profoundly ironic.....but not the , er, journalist who
writes this kind of tosh...

Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to be
Post by HOD
called the "public interest" conceit.
And my irony meter goes way off scale....
Post by HOD
This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless benefactors
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests.
But the acid test is urely their motives, their aims and objectives.
"By their fruits, ye shall know them." His track record will bear
scrutiny agains some of the grubby corporate lobbyists in your
country, methinks...
Post by HOD
The hedge-fund operator made his
money practicing capitalism
Quelle horreur!!!


but now he spends it trying to give himself and
Post by HOD
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices.
He's behaving like a Republican?
Post by HOD
Among his fundees in
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or run
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,"
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.
Er....yes. Given the consequences of some instances of deregulatopn,
I'm not surprised.
Post by HOD
They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has morphed
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been mouthpieces
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
And what evidence exists for that?


In the past three years they
Post by HOD
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.
There would, I assume, be many Americans, of all political opinions or
none, who would want to do that. I mean, your mainstream television is
generally dreadful. As is your press. Who would want to make it worse?
Post by HOD
Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader of a
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership caps
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and according
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group $600,000
from 2000 to 2002.
So what?
Post by HOD
The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the FCC's new
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations.
And what is their justification?


The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from the
Post by HOD
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr. Soros
in 2001-02.
Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America, has a
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation would
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000. And
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros pot
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the "digital
divide."
You obviously don't like his opposition to current media policies. So
what?
Post by HOD
Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves.
Whoaa!!! That's a seismic shift....or a sleazy journalistic trick. How
do we get from opposition to deregulation to an ambition to control
the media?


A few also
Post by HOD
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given Mr.
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their funding
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity,
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and you can
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.
Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real arbiters of
public policy should be elites like them.
Should be? Under George Bush, they are! Even a foreign observer can
see that!


Their own political success
Post by HOD
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public policy
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of course
their point.
But wouldn't they wield more influence if the media is further
deregulated? Which is why they oppose deregulation in the first place?
Oh....I give up...
Post by HOD
As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the views
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists.
You think that he is left wing? He grew up in communist Hungary. He
detests totalitarian societies. He has spent goodness knows how much
on promoting the establishment of civil society in former communist
states. He has been attacked by everyone from dubious Russia
politicians to Lithuanian bishops. So, perhaps he was doing something
right.

Dear reader....you think that I am an apologist for Soros? Well....let
me tell you of my part in the great Soros conspiracy.

Some years ago, when I was an impoverished Doctoral student (as
opposed to my present status as an impoverished academic), I had a
bright idea. The Soros Foundated funded students from former communist
countries to study in western Europe. Would it fund my field research
in the Baltic States? It was a long shot, but worth a try.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find an address for his fund - they didn't
have a British office. I tried (telephone) directory enquiries asa
last resort, using his surname....and got a number!

I was answered by a very pleasant middle aged (she sounded
matronly)English lady - his personal assistant and secretary. this was
more like it! I assumed that I'd got through to his office....but I
was mortified to discover that it was his London flat, where she was
dealing with some correspondence!

After profuse apologies on my part( she seemed rather amused by my
explanation) she answered my question - no, they did not fund any
students other than those in ex-communist European states.

I expressed surprise that his personal London number wasn't extra
directory. Surely after the humilitation of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer and the effective devaluation of the found after being
driven from the ERM, there would be abusive calls...and worse. She
stated that this was indeed so. I then asked her to pass pn a message
to George Soros....that at least one caller was pleased that he had
made a fool of Norman Lamont! I was lauaghingly promised that Mr.
Soros would be informed....

Joking apart.....

Our readers can examine for
Post by HOD
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities since
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to call an
"open society."
Perhaps a threat to the basics of civil society, wheter from the
detritus thrown up by the collapse of communism, or an American
Presidential moron and elements of his administration, are.....shall
we say....similar?
Post by HOD
Wall Street Journal
Wasn't it once a respectable paper?

Toodle pip!

Dr. Barry Worthington
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-07 01:29:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Barry Worthington
Post by HOD
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
Oh I see! Mr. Soros wants to regulate the media ('restrict media
competition') so that it isn't dominated by conglomerates and
oligarchs espousing one particular point of view. So he uses his
wealth and acts in a way that the media dereguation he objects to
would promote, in order to get his message across. Most people would
find this profoundly ironic.....but not the , er, journalist who
writes this kind of tosh...
Mr. Soros is the personification of what deserves to be
Post by HOD
called the "public interest" conceit.
And my irony meter goes way off scale....
Post by HOD
This is the idea that folks like Mr. Soros are merely selfless benefactors
of truth and justice, but companies trying to protect their rights in
Washington are greedy special interests.
But the acid test is urely their motives, their aims and objectives.
"By their fruits, ye shall know them." His track record will bear
scrutiny agains some of the grubby corporate lobbyists in your
country, methinks...
Post by HOD
The hedge-fund operator made his
money practicing capitalism
Quelle horreur!!!
but now he spends it trying to give himself and
Post by HOD
his ideological allies an advantage over other voices.
He's behaving like a Republican?
Post by HOD
Among his fundees in
this case are four closely coordinated groups. The men who founded or run
them are known in the Beltway as "the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse,"
after what they are always claiming will happen if some market is
deregulated.
Er....yes. Given the consequences of some instances of deregulatopn,
I'm not surprised.
Post by HOD
They are the Media Access Project, the Consumers Union, the Consumer
Federation of America, and the Center for Media Education (which has morphed
into the Center for Digital Democracy). Don't be fooled by their
consumer-friendly names. All four organizations have long been mouthpieces
of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
And what evidence exists for that?
In the past three years they
Post by HOD
have bashed or knotted up many of the Bush Administration's major
communications proposals.
There would, I assume, be many Americans, of all political opinions or
none, who would want to do that. I mean, your mainstream television is
generally dreadful. As is your press. Who would want to make it worse?
Post by HOD
Take Andrew Schwartzman, head of the Media Access Project, and leader of a
campaign to sink FCC Chairman Michael Powell's rules raising ownership caps
for broadcasters. MAP's revenue for fiscal 2001 was $526,000, and according
to the Soros foundation Web site the billionaire gave the group $600,000
from 2000 to 2002.
So what?
Post by HOD
The Center for Digital Democracy, meanwhile, has sued to block the FCC's new
broadband rules that would free fast Internet access from crushing
regulations.
And what is their justification?
The Center is run by Jeff Chester, who spun it off from the
Post by HOD
Center for Media Education. CME received a $90,000 donation from Mr. Soros
in 2001-02.
Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America, has a
talent for churning out studies about how Mr. Powell's deregulation would
"undermine democracy." His group took $80,000 from Mr. Soros in 2000. And
the Consumers Union, run by Gene Kimmelman, also dipped into the Soros pot
for $175,000 from 1999 to 2001. The two groups teamed up last year to
release a report blaming Mr. Bush and the FCC for widening the "digital
divide."
You obviously don't like his opposition to current media policies. So
what?
Post by HOD
Not that the Four Horsemen fight only to control the airwaves.
Whoaa!!! That's a seismic shift....or a sleazy journalistic trick. How
do we get from opposition to deregulation to an ambition to control
the media?
A few also
Post by HOD
played roles in promoting the campaign finance laws that have given Mr.
Soros and his cash such a big political advantage. Combine their funding
with the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity,
the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the
$625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen -- and you can
be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by
himself.
Like Mr. Soros, all of these groups share the view that the real arbiters of
public policy should be elites like them.
Should be? Under George Bush, they are! Even a foreign observer can
see that!
Their own political success
Post by HOD
refutes their contention that somehow Big Media dominate our public policy
debates. And with the new limits on what other Americans can donate to
political campaigns, and even on when they can run TV advertising, the
Soroses of the world will wield even more influence. Which is of course
their point.
But wouldn't they wield more influence if the media is further
deregulated? Which is why they oppose deregulation in the first place?
Oh....I give up...
Post by HOD
As his clout grows, we hope the media pay even more attention to the views
of Mr. Soros and his web of left-wing activists.
You think that he is left wing? He grew up in communist Hungary. He
detests totalitarian societies. He has spent goodness knows how much
on promoting the establishment of civil society in former communist
states. He has been attacked by everyone from dubious Russia
politicians to Lithuanian bishops. So, perhaps he was doing something
right.
Dear reader....you think that I am an apologist for Soros? Well....let
me tell you of my part in the great Soros conspiracy.
Some years ago, when I was an impoverished Doctoral student (as
opposed to my present status as an impoverished academic), I had a
bright idea. The Soros Foundated funded students from former communist
countries to study in western Europe. Would it fund my field research
in the Baltic States? It was a long shot, but worth a try.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find an address for his fund - they didn't
have a British office. I tried (telephone) directory enquiries asa
last resort, using his surname....and got a number!
I was answered by a very pleasant middle aged (she sounded
matronly)English lady - his personal assistant and secretary. this was
more like it! I assumed that I'd got through to his office....but I
was mortified to discover that it was his London flat, where she was
dealing with some correspondence!
After profuse apologies on my part( she seemed rather amused by my
explanation) she answered my question - no, they did not fund any
students other than those in ex-communist European states.
I expressed surprise that his personal London number wasn't extra
directory. Surely after the humilitation of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer and the effective devaluation of the found after being
driven from the ERM, there would be abusive calls...and worse. She
stated that this was indeed so. I then asked her to pass pn a message
to George Soros....that at least one caller was pleased that he had
made a fool of Norman Lamont! I was lauaghingly promised that Mr.
Soros would be informed....
Joking apart.....
Our readers can examine for
Post by HOD
themselves the nearly 1,900 payouts that Mr. Soros made to entities since
1999 at http://prs.soros.org/GrantsList/GrantSearch.asp. We'd say they
reveal a billionaire who is himself a threat to what he likes to call an
"open society."
Perhaps a threat to the basics of civil society, wheter from the
detritus thrown up by the collapse of communism, or an American
Presidential moron and elements of his administration, are.....shall
we say....similar?
Post by HOD
Wall Street Journal
Wasn't it once a respectable paper?
Toodle pip!
Dr. Barry Worthington
Anything is better than what the neo-con bastards have done witht
media Colin Powel's kid had done with the FCC.

I have known Geo Soros for a long time and he is not seeking a quid
pro quo. He knows the odds. The guy is not stupid. With his age and
the real chances of defeating Bush. Soros is just pissed at what a
peach of shit murdering psychopath who lied about why we went to war,
and is an unelected drunk who should be in jail. George Bush is a
satanic, sadistic, brutal monster.
Compared to George Bush, Adolf Hitler was a true gentleman. Hitler was
elected, but Bush was appointed by the United States Supreme Court.
Republicans want to starve kids, kick old people out on the street,
make poor people have to eat dog food to survive, poison the air, land
and water and kill millions of American kids with your imperialist
wars.


The Bush administration has managed to appropriate $87 billion for,
among other things, building new schools in Iraq, they're cutting
costs at home by closing schools for the children of American
servicepeople.
For the Bush (appointed by the United States Supreme Court)
administration to make these cuts in the first place is awful (so much
for Republicans supporting the military) but to make them during a
time of war, while American soldiers are fighting and dying on a daily
basis, is simply disgraceful.


Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Copyright © 2003


http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/



It's the economy, stupid! That great line originated during the 1992
presidential campaign between Bush 41 and Clinton. We are living in
similar circumstances right now with Bush 43's high war approval
ratings and an economic recession. One has to wonder if the end result
will be the same with the defeat of George W. Bush in 2004.

Thanks Bush! Poverty Rises, Income Down, Census Says, For the SECOND
STRAIGHT YEAR! 9/27
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-10 06:29:01 UTC
Permalink
As The Nation's John Nichols reports, MoveOn.org is being pounded upon
hysterically by the Republican Party over two ad contest entries --
mailed in from the public, not endorsed by MoveOn and even apologized
for and pulled from the website -- ads that compared George W. Bush to
Adolf Hitler.

MoveOn notes sourly, however, that none of this indignation was around
when Democratic Senator Max Cleland -- a decorated veteran who lost
both legs and an arm serving in Vietnam -- was smeared by the
Republican leadership with television advertisements comparing him to
Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

And Timothy Karr at MediaChannel.org observes, even as the mainstream
media has raised cries of shame at the Bush-Hitler ads -- which were
mailed in to a "Bush in 30 Seconds" ad contest and promptly rejected
-- there's been silence about the still-truculently defiant decision
by The New York Post to run a column devoted entirely to comparing
Howard Dean supporters to Hitler's Brownshirts, and Dean himself to
Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

Kerr suggests you ask your favorite news outlet to explain the double-
standard: Two citizens send in speech comparing the Bush
Administration to Hitler -- speech that's promptly rejected by
progressives, even apologized for, out of embarrassment to even be
briefly associated with -- and it's a sordid national news event. But
leading citizens and editors at a major metropolitan newspaper craft
and print a detailed comparison of Howard Dean to Hitler -- they don't
apologize -- they don't back down or disavow -- and there's smug
silence.

While you're at it, ask them how it wasn't a national disgrace that a
man who left three of his limbs on the battlefield in Vietnam could be
called, in Republican Party-sponsored ads on television, an al-Qaeda
lover -- just because Republican operatives coveted his Senate seat,
and becase he had dared question the president's war in Iraq. That was
probably the closest thing we've seen yet to a Goebbels moment --
where was The New York Post's crack Goebbels-watching team then? Maybe
if the Republicans policed their own ranks, a minority of the American
public wouldn't be entertaining dark fears about homegrown fascism.



Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
Reverend Chancellor Leland Milton Goldblatt Ph.D. ED.D. M.F.A, D.Div.
M.Theo .
Copyright © 2003

http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/
http://www.voxfux.com
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.bushflash.com/nazi.html
(773) 731-1100

"George Bush is a satanic, sadistic, brutal monster.
Compared to George Bush, Adolf Hitler was a true gentleman."



- Michael Boren Williams, former Campaign Manager for Senator Gary
Hart and Bush murder attempt victim


HAIL to the THIEF! Not my president. IMPEACH HE SUPREME COURT!

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